Is Mr Teng involved in this case?
-
IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here. The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.
SCDF Peter Lim Gold Cup
- Thread starter aurvandil
- Start date
the above not cheap. wonder if he will take payment in different form?
sometimes one can spend a millin dollars on clothes and look like $1 whereas some other people can look fabulous like a million dollars having spent on dollar. thus the saying " you look like a million dollars" no pun intended god, we use to use that expression in my old her world days
I feel sorry for PL and the lady at the centre of it all.
He is a family man and she too a mother to a child.
Hope they would be able to stand the daily "inquisitiveness" of the news media.
If the investigating authority (CPIB) is proven to be so lackadaisical, then there should be a public inquiry into its operations and use of public funds and rightfully this sort of Public Inquest should be ordered by the PMO and conducted by a truly independent authority.
The work of any successful public servant (investigators) like police officers, etc...is to get information from the public and in doing so he or she must "fraternise" with the good, the bad and ugly. That is the way to go about. All investigations should be carried out meticulously and without fear or favour.
The way the present cases (NBG and PL) is going is driving a wedge between investigators and "informers". Such cases makes once upon a time trusted friends into enemies overnight. The CPIB ought to know these sort of development may not be good for the overall public security in the near future and hence should handle such delicate matters carefully.
Like some other cases, such cases should be held in "camera".
I wonder how many public servants have been "frightened" off because of such cases. This may not augur well for the long-term security of Singapore. The CPIB may also loose it respect as a "formidable body" in the eyes of the people.
He is a family man and she too a mother to a child.
Hope they would be able to stand the daily "inquisitiveness" of the news media.
If the investigating authority (CPIB) is proven to be so lackadaisical, then there should be a public inquiry into its operations and use of public funds and rightfully this sort of Public Inquest should be ordered by the PMO and conducted by a truly independent authority.
The work of any successful public servant (investigators) like police officers, etc...is to get information from the public and in doing so he or she must "fraternise" with the good, the bad and ugly. That is the way to go about. All investigations should be carried out meticulously and without fear or favour.
The way the present cases (NBG and PL) is going is driving a wedge between investigators and "informers". Such cases makes once upon a time trusted friends into enemies overnight. The CPIB ought to know these sort of development may not be good for the overall public security in the near future and hence should handle such delicate matters carefully.
Like some other cases, such cases should be held in "camera".
I wonder how many public servants have been "frightened" off because of such cases. This may not augur well for the long-term security of Singapore. The CPIB may also loose it respect as a "formidable body" in the eyes of the people.
When you pay civil serpents millions of dollars for work on such a small country they will have nothing much to do. Their eyes and mind will wander away to do mischievious things. This is the idiotic policy of the PAPzis that overprice HDB to pay their civil serpents enormous sums of money to cho boh lan. THe are thousands of such useless cho boh lans on the payroll of the PAPzis who use taxpayers money to pay themselves and their minions lavishly to take care of a small pond.
Sex-for contract trial: Witness was the one who initiated intimate relationship, says Lim
Published on Mar 25, 2013
Ms Pang Chor Mui, (centre) arriving at the court with her bodyguards. The prosecution's key witness, Ms Pang Chor Mui, was the one who initiated a more intimate relationship, former civil defence chief Peter Lim Sin Pang told the court when he took the stand on Monday. -- ST PHOTO: WONG KWAI CHOW
By Joyce Lim And Ian Poh
The prosecution's key witness, Ms Pang Chor Mui, was the one who initiated a more intimate relationship, former civil defence chief Peter Lim Sin Pang told the court when he took the stand on Monday.
Lim, 52, is charged with corruptly obtaining oral sex from Ms Pang, the former Nimrod Engineering general manager, in exchange for furthering the business interests of her company.
The court heard that Lim and Ms Pang, 49, got closer after three lunches and several text messages, which eventually turned suggestive.
Lim cited an incident in February 2010, when the pair was waiting for Lim's driver to pick them up after lunch at a Crystal Jade restaurant. He claimed that Ms Pang had "grabbed my arm towards her body in a suggestive manner".
Get the full story from The Straits Times.
Details of relationship between Lim and Pang emerge in corruption trial
By Kimberly Spykerman | Posted: 25 March 2013 1231 hrs
Ex-SCDF chief Peter Lim (L) arrives in court (File photo: Lim Wee Leng, MediaCorp)
SINGAPORE: Former SCDF chief Peter Lim took the stand on Monday in his corruption trial and gave details of the close friendship he had with former Nimrod general manager Madam Pang Chor Mui.
He revealed to the court that after reconnecting with Madam Pang in 2009, the pair met for four lunches and rekindled a friendship.
Lim said they became close through sharing personal issues that they were facing.
He said Madam Pang would talk about her son and the challenges she faced after her divorce, while he shared details about his health problems.
Lim said he had been diagnosed with hypertension in 2004 and later suffered two mini strokes in 2005.
He said Madam Pang showed concern for his health and brewed herbal tea for him between August and October 2009 -- which she would bring to his office twice a week. This despite him telling her not to as he was not convinced it would help his condition.
Lim said he saw her caring nature so he accepted -- "It was very touching to me as I was facing personal crises at the time," he said.
He said that in all their conversations during lunch and over text message, no issues regarding work matters were discussed.
Lim added that he knew Madam Pang had a liking for him and that in 2010 began sending him "suggestive" messages. He said he did not ask her to stop because he did not want to reject her after she had done so much for him.
Lim also gave an account of the oral sex that occurred on May 2, 2010, between him and Madam Pang.
Describing the one-time sexual encounter as "spontaneous and unexpected", he said that he had been slightly tipsy at the time and could have been less inhibited.
Lim added that Madam Pang had initiated the oral sex and that he had not asked for it, vehemently denying that the act had advanced Nimrod's or Madam Pang's business interests with the SCDF.
"The sexual encounter had nothing to do with work at all. It's spontaneous, between good friends who cared for each other," he told the court.
He also gave evidence that Madam Pang continued to send him suggestive text messages after the encounter, but nothing further happened between them.
Earlier, Lim outlined the procurement processes for the SCDF, indicating that there were distinct levels of clearance a tender document had to go through before reaching him for approval.
"I rose to the top through hard work and determination and not be favouring any organisation," he added.
-CNA/ac
Personal relationship was morally wrong, but I'm not corrupt: Peter Lim
Former Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) Peter Lim admits that his relationship with star witness Angie Pang Chor Mui was "morally wrong" but insists that he is not corrupt.
Speaking confidently on the fourth day of the sex-for-contracts trial at the SubCourt on Monday , the 53-year-old said he did not provide Pang with any tipoffs regarding a potential tender for radiation portal machines (RPMs).
Lim has been charged with one count of obtaining oral sex in 2010 from Pang, then general manager of Nimrod Engineering, an equipment supplier to the SCDF.
Taking the stand for the first time since the trial began last week, Lim admitted contacting Pang on March 18, 2010 but that it was to simply to find out if her company had RPMs and nothing more. He added that other suppliers were approached similarly and that no special privileges were given to Pang, 49.
He said he did not share any information regarding an upcoming SCDF tender the following month as claimed by Pang in her testimony last week.
'Lonely woman'
Earlier in his testimony when he was on the stand for the first time, Lim said his relationship with Pang grew closer around June 2009 and in Feb 2010, she began sending "suggestive text messages" and even told him he wanted to be his girlfriend but that he did not respond to this.
Describing Pang as "kind", "caring" and that "she likes to joke and tease a lot", Lim confirmed the one count of oral sex happened in her car at the Stadium Walk carpark at close to midnight in May.
The suggestive messages were the reason why he did not dismiss her when she asked him to unzip his pants. He added that he was "tipsy" on the night and knew "that she's a lonely woman who has not had something like this for a while", he told the court.
He said the session only lasted a short while as he not "fully aroused" during the act.
Former Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) Peter Lim admits that his relationship with star witness Angie Pang Chor Mui was "morally wrong" but insists that he is not corrupt.
Speaking confidently on the fourth day of the sex-for-contracts trial at the SubCourt on Monday , the 53-year-old said he did not provide Pang with any tipoffs regarding a potential tender for radiation portal machines (RPMs).
Lim has been charged with one count of obtaining oral sex in 2010 from Pang, then general manager of Nimrod Engineering, an equipment supplier to the SCDF.
Taking the stand for the first time since the trial began last week, Lim admitted contacting Pang on March 18, 2010 but that it was to simply to find out if her company had RPMs and nothing more. He added that other suppliers were approached similarly and that no special privileges were given to Pang, 49.
He said he did not share any information regarding an upcoming SCDF tender the following month as claimed by Pang in her testimony last week.
'Lonely woman'
Earlier in his testimony when he was on the stand for the first time, Lim said his relationship with Pang grew closer around June 2009 and in Feb 2010, she began sending "suggestive text messages" and even told him he wanted to be his girlfriend but that he did not respond to this.
Describing Pang as "kind", "caring" and that "she likes to joke and tease a lot", Lim confirmed the one count of oral sex happened in her car at the Stadium Walk carpark at close to midnight in May.
The suggestive messages were the reason why he did not dismiss her when she asked him to unzip his pants. He added that he was "tipsy" on the night and knew "that she's a lonely woman who has not had something like this for a while", he told the court.
He said the session only lasted a short while as he not "fully aroused" during the act.
i gotta find myself a "spontaneous good (lady) friend", get "tipsy" and "less inhibited" with her and probably score a few blow jobs.
i gotta find myself a "spontaneous good (lady) friend", get "tipsy" and "less inhibited" with her and probably score a few blow jobs.
Get someone like Angie Pang....u want??? I rather pay a bit and get better quality!!
Prosecution questions accuracy of Peter Lim's evidence in corruption trial
By S Ramesh | Posted: 26 March 2013 1336 hrs
Peter Lim (C), leaves the subordinate court for a lunch break with his two lawyers in Singapore on February 18, 2013. (AFP/ROSLAN RAHMAN)
SINGAPORE: Former SCDF chief Peter Lim took the stand for the second day as his corruption trial continued. The prosecution questioned the accuracy and truth of the evidence he has given so far.
Deputy Public Prosecutor Tan Kiat Pheng continued to dispute Lim's claim that he and Madam Pang Chor Mui were close friends -- and that it was this closeness that eventually led to the one-time sexual encounter in 2010.
Mr Tan pointed to the fact that the pair had not met in the months following May 2010 -- when the oral sex occurred.
The next time they saw each other was in January 2012, when they met at the Corrupt Practices Investigations Bureau (CPIB).
Mr Tan hinted that though Lim claimed they were close friends, it seemed strange that they did not meet in the 20 months that lapsed after the oral sex incident took place. He pointed out that during that period, Lim had found time to go for drinking sessions with friends.
Mr Tan had said to Lim: "If you have time to go for drinks, couldn't you find time to go out for coffee or tea with Ms Pang? You couldn't find one time to meet her?"
Lim insisted they were busy and that their schedules did not match.
Mr Tan also said he found Lim "evasive" when answering a series of questions on how much alcohol he had consumed, and whether he was in control and aware of what had happened the night of the oral sex incident.
Mr Tan also questioned why Lim did not resist Mdm Pang's sexual advances toward him when they went for lunch or reinforce the point that he was married when she sent him suggestive text messages.
He said this could have given Mdm Pang the wrong impression that Lim was prepared to have girlfriends.
Lim, in reply, said he did not want to hurt her.
Lim also testified that it had not occurred to him that calling Madam Pang on March 17, 2011, to ask if her company stocked radiation portal monitors constituted conflict of interest -- a point the Deputy Public Prosecutor said "shocked" him considering that Lim has been in the force for over 25 years.
-CNA/ac
Former SCDF chief Peter Lim cracks under pressure
By Shawn Lee Miller
RazorTV
Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013
SINGAPORE - The prosecution in the Sex-for-contracts trial has applied to impeach the former Singapore Civil Defence Force chief after he flipped-flopped on his statements.
Did Peter Lim ask Pang Chor Mui if he wanted to have sex the night of the offence or didn't he?
That was the question at Day 11 of the Sex-for-contracts trial as Lim was questioned on his conflicting statements between his CPIB interrogations and testimony in court.
When asked about the different statements, Lim initially admitted that it was a mistake and that the thought of offering Miss Pang sex was purely for his own consumption.
He later changed his statement to say that he did asked her if she wanted to have sex, but minutes later changed back again to say he did not accept the statement that he asked Miss Pang if she wanted to have sex.
When asked about his differing statements, Lim said that he felt pressured about his own original statement.
In the application, Deputy Public Prosecutor Tan Kiat Pheng also highlighted several other inconsistencies.
In his CPIB statement, Lim said that as at the year 2009, he and Miss Pang were not friends. But in his testimony in court, he said that they were close friends.
Lim's explanation for the differing statements was that there are different degrees of friendship.
Another discrepancy came in Miss Pang's suggestive messages about sex.
Lim said in his CPIB statement that he had played along, but in court, he said that he could not recall if he replied.
Lim was visibly flustered in court on Tuesday as the DPP fired his question rapidly at him.
Sex-for-contracts trial: Ex-SCDF chief misled key witness by not rejecting her advances
Published on Mar 26, 2013
Peter Lim Sin Pang arrives in court on March 26, 2013. Lim had 'misled' Ms Pang Chor Mui by not rejecting her, and took advantage of her on May 2, 2010, the day he allegedly obtained oral sex from the woman. -- ST PHOTO: WONG KWAI CHOW
By Joyce Lim And Ian Poh
Former civil defence chief Peter Lim Sin Pang had 'misled' Ms Pang Chor Mui by not rejecting her, and took advantage of her on May 2, 2010, the day he allegedly obtained oral sex from the woman.
This was what the prosecution set out to prove when they began their cross-examination of Lim on Tuesday.
Lim, 52, told the court on Monday - the first day he took the stand - that it was Ms Pang, a long-lost close friend, who had tried to take their friendship to another level after they rekindled their friendship in 2009.
But Deputy Public Prosecutor Tan Kiat Pheng, disputed his claims and said that Lim's passive response to two flirtatious messages sent by Ms Pang, before they met for their fourth lunch in February 2010, had led her on.
After lunch, while waiting for Lim's driver to pick him up outside Parkway Parade, he claimed that Ms Pang had seduced him by pressing her body against his. But instead of outrightly rejecting her, Lim had led Ms Pang on by telling her that "this is not the right time, said DPP Tan.
Lim faces a charge of corruptly obtaining oral sex from Ms Pang, 49, the former Nimrod Engineering general manager, in exchange for furthering the business interests of her company.
Mr Tan further sought to show that Lim was fully aware of what he was doing on May 2, 2010, by firing a series of questions at Lim, on his state of mind that night. Mr Tan told Lim that he could not have been tipsy that night, considering that he was a health-conscious man and did not have a habit of getting himself drunk.
Sex-for-contracts trial: Ex-SCDF chief just a 'rubber-stamp' in procurement process
Published on Mar 26, 2013
The ongoing cross-examination of former civil defence chief Peter Lim Sin Pang (above), got heated at times on Tuesday morning, with Lim getting agitated at the rapid-fire style of Deputy Public Prosecutor Tan Kiat Pheng. --TNP FILE PHOTO: JEREMY LONG
By Joyce Lim And Ian Poh
The ongoing cross-examination of former civil defence chief Peter Lim Sin Pang, got heated at times on Tuesday morning, with Lim getting agitated at the rapid-fire style of Deputy Public Prosecutor Tan Kiat Pheng.
At several junctures Lim, 52, asked Mr Tan to repeat his questions, at some points even responding even before the DPP Tan completed his questions.
The prosecutor had been trying to show that Lim has been inconsistent in his testimony that he has given to the court.
On Monday, during Lim's initial testimony, he had said that he preferred to lead by example and this was the reason he had personally called two security companies, including Ms Pang Chor Mui, 49, to ask if they have radiation monitors. This morning, the court heard that Lim did not trust his officers when there was an urgent need for the radiation portal monitors, because they were too "slow".
But under cross-examination this morning, he told the court that his role as commissioner was just to endorse winning bids after they had gone through a transparent, open and fair procurement process, administered by officers whom he trusted. Responding to this, DPP Tan asked if this meant Lim was admitting to being just a rubber-stamp. Lim replied: "Almost."
DPP Tan will continue his cross-examination in the afternoon.
Prosecution applies to impeach former SCDF chief Peter Lim
Published on Mar 26, 2013
By Joyce Lim And Ian Poh
The prosecution has applied to impeach former civil defence chief Peter Lim Sin Pang, 52, and substitute certain parts of statements he gave to the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) last year. --ST FILE PHOTO: LIM SIN THAI
The prosecution has applied to impeach former civil defence chief Peter Lim Sin Pang, 52, and substitute certain parts of statements he gave to the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) last year.
An impeached witness is considered less credible and what he has said in court will be given less weight by the judge.
Deputy Public Prosecutor Tan Kiat Pheng read out several examples where Lim's testimony in court were inconsistent with his CPIB statements. One example was that Lim told the court that it was Ms Pang Chor Mui, 49, who had initiated oral sex with him. But in his statement to CPIB, he had said that he asked her for sex directly and drove straight to the Stadium carpark where the incident took place.
The application came on a day of intense cross-examination where Lim appeared agitated several times.
Convicted..
For being charitable and providing "pity-sex" to three women. LOL!
These defense lawyers should be fired.
For being charitable and providing "pity-sex" to three women. LOL!
These defense lawyers should be fired.
Sex-for-contract trial: Ex-SCDF chief claims he had oral sex with witness "out of sympathy"
Published on Mar 27, 2013
By Joyce Lim And Ian Poh
Peter Lim Sin Pang, former chief of the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF), arriving at the Subordinate Courts on 26 March 2013. Former civil defence force chief Peter Lim Sin Pang told the court on Wednesday that he was never interested in sex with Ms Pang Chor Mui. -- ST PHOTO: WONG KWAI CHOW
Former civil defence force chief Peter Lim Sin Pang told the court on Wednesday that he was never interested in sex with Ms Pang Chor Mui.
He claimed he allowed her to perform oral sex on him on May 2, 2010 "out of sympathy", since she had begged "so pitifully" during a lunch meeting they had at Crystal Jade earlier that year.
This was part of a statement Lim made to the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) on Feb 22 last year.
In court on Wednesday, Lim, 52, maintained his statements merely reflected his state of mind at the time.
But the prosecution argued that Lim intended to have sex with Ms Pang and that he had created opportunity for it to happen on May 2, 2012. These points were explicit in two other statements he gave to the CPIB last year, the court heard.
Whether or not Lim intended to have sex with Ms Pang, 49, is one of several discrepancies between his court testimony and his CPIB statements which the prosecution is highlighting.
The prosecution, which applied on Tuesday to impeach Lim, wrapped up its cross examination on Wednesday morning.
Lim is accused of corruptly obtaining oral sex from Ms Pang, the former Nimrod Engineering general manager, in exchange for furthering the business interests of her company.
Who asked for 'it'?
March 27, 2013 - 1:23am
By: Chai Hung Yin
TNP PHOTO: Gavin Foo
The prosecution yesterday sought to impeach former commissioner of Singapore Civil Defence Force Peter Benedict Lim Sin Pang over the contradictions in the statements he gave to Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau and his testimony in court.
Among them are who asked for oral sex, why did it stop and his response to the suggestive messages sent to him by Ms Pang Chor Mui, then general manager of Nimrod Engineering.
Lim is accused of corruptly obtaining oral sex from Ms Pang to show favour to her then-employer.
Read the full report in The New Paper on Wednesday (March 27).
I heard its that weasel looking bastard retiree (and offered re-contract) Osman ......
wonder when is karma gonna find him and the other CPIB bastard Ali to "settle accounts" man.....
